in Star Trek MMORPG Dead In Space? Ultimate Battle: U.S.S. Enterprise vs. A Star Destroyer – Battle Of The Ships
Dec 15th, 2007 by Vrian Sinth
You really can’t get much geekier than an argument on who would win between Star Trek’s Enterprise D or E and a Star Wars Star Destroyer. I know this is all Sci-Fi and a ridiculous never-ending argument. I am a huge fan of both genres, so when I got into a friendly argument with my friend at work I reluctantly picked the side of Star Trek.
As this argument ensued at work, people around us started laughing, thinking we had both truly lost our minds. Perhaps we did a little. The argument then turned to Star Wars vs. Star Trek. These were our main arguments in a condensed and far smaller format:
Friend: Star Destroyer big, Enterprise small.
Me: Enterprise faster, more maneuverable.
Friend: Thousands of lasers.
Me: Lasers dude?! You’re kidding me. Phasers kick Lasers in any match.
Friend: Super Star Destroyer and Death Star kill the Enterprise.
Me: Agreed. I don’t think the Enterprise D or C would win those two. So I throw in the Borg.
Friend: <Pure silence ensues.>
Me: Nuff said.
I have found in my own observations that there are a lot more casual Star Wars fans than casual Star Trek fans. I have also found, again in my own observations, that there are a lot more die-hard Star Trek fans than there are die-hard Star Wars fans. This means in most “forum” based arguments on this topic, Star Wars will almost always win by sheer numbers.
Many people try to throw The Force into the mixture. I used to think this was a big deal as well, especially when watching the classic trilogy of Star Wars (ANH, ESB, ROTJ). The Force kicks trash in those movies. Then the prequel Star Wars movies came out. TPM, AOTC & ROTS have changed my mind on this. I now think The Force would be a minuscule influence in any such fight.
In The Phantom Menace we discover that Midichlorians actually dictate one’s power with the force. It’s not something you can get stronger with (except training), unless there are synthetic Midichlorians being produced and injected into the blood stream. You will also discover in Attack of the Clones that a bunch of clone troopers can EASILY wipe out the Jedi. I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed I was watching the Jedi get seemingly killed in seconds by a blaster!
A lot of the argumentative stats in this epic battle are taken from non-canon books, video games and other non-canon sources. This includes both sides of the argument. And let’s not throw in the Expanded Universe from Star Wars into the argument. The Expanded Universe of Star Wars books contradict themselves on every level.
I have done my own research and have found the following sites to be useful when determining who would win a U.S.S. Enterprise D/E vs. Star Wars Star Destroyer battle.
List of Ultimate Star Wars vs. Star Trek Sites:
ST-V-SW.net (Great arguments in favor of Star Trek <when looking at sheer firepower and defense capabilities>. Well researched data with sources to back it up.)
StarDestroyer.net (Great arguments in favor of Star Wars. Seems to utilize a lot of non-canon data.)
Answers.com also has a nice article on the subject that you can read here.
There are a lot of awesome ships in the Sci-Fi universe not limited to just Star Wars or Star Trek. Let’s throw an Asgard or Replicator ship into the mixture, or perhaps a Battlestar from Battlestar Galactica. The Battlestars look awesome!
TheForce.net has some great Star Trek, Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica specs, although who knows if the sources are accurate. You can find them here.
Again, I realize this argument will never come to an end, but it sure is fun!
Consider the following characteristics of Technology:
Propulsion - more advanced you are the faster you can go. In ST, there is plenty of reference to mankind being confined to their quadrent of the galaxy ’cause everything else is too far away. In SW, Anakin jumps in his ship and is on the other side of the galaxy in moments.
Weapons - this one is more interesting. In ST there is reference to ship battles being waged at ranges of 100,000 kms +. In SW ep.3 the ships are trading broadsides @ point blank range like the old pirate movies. Perhaps jamming technology is more advanced, requiring close range combat?
Misc. - ST takes place only a few hundred years into our future yet SW universe is supposedly 1000’s of years old re: inter-galactic travel. Hard to imagine that all of those societies could have become stagnent in techno advancement. On the other hand, they don’t seem to have figured a way of busting someone up into micro particles and reassembling them somewhere else.
On balance, I think it makes more sense that the empire has the technology edge and that the SD would pound the Enterprise.
i think st would win because in tng worf talks about laser not endangering them gob fly since sw only uses laser its fare to assume that the star destroyer couldnt hurt them
You missed the point when the clones killed the thousands of Jedi. The clones had no emotion and, therefore, an element of suprise which Jedi were unaccustomed to dealing with. In the end, the sole reason the clones could do what they did is through the extreme level of advantage gained through such a suprise attack. This point is illustrated well when Obi-Wan and Yoda are slicing effortlessly through hundreds of clones on their way back to the temple in Episode 3.
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I don’t know how I feel about the Jedi not detecting the emotion of the clones. Aren’t they supposed to be able to “see” the future? Shouldn’t the other Jedi have seen this coming? Obviously Yoda is pretty good, because he killed the two clones next to him without batting an eye (on the Wookie planet). Apparently the “lack” of emotion doesn’t phase Yoda.
Anyway, borg kick them all. Yoda, you WILL be assimilated.
It’s not the lack of emotions that threw the jedi off, it’s the cloning process, that makes clones hard to detect (their intentions).Clones are like white noise in the force, disruptions. Making it much more difficult for force users to opperate at peak performance and even causeing pain to a Jedi (when facing a clone of themselves)The Grand Admiral Thrawn books explain the mechanics behind it all.
Hey, I am curious, what do you think the SW universe would do with Q unleashed into it? Also, What about Babylon 5, a Star Fury would have no trouble taking out any fighter either the Empire or New Republic can through at it.
I am a big fan of both SW and ST, and I have done tons of research for both. As much as I like Star Trek, Star Wars wins hands down. Here’s why.
Speed: Our galaxy (in ST) is 100′000 lightyears in diameter. When Voyager was brought 70′000 lightyears across the galaxy, they said it would take 70 years to get back. (Without things like wormholes, Transwarp, Q, and Slipstreams to help them)
Reference: Voyager episode “caretaker”, “Star Trek Starcharts” book
Star Wars galaxy is over 120′000 lightyears across, and can be crossed in hours or days depending on several factors.
Reference: Wookieepedia.com
Weapons and defences: ST w/d are all frequency based (photon Torpedoes, phasers)
Reference: Wikipedia
SW w/d ARE NOT lasers. (called so because no better word exists)
Lasers have no recoil, they would not need a hole at the end of the barrel to come out of, they do not make sound, they do not simply stop (lightsabers, superlaser)
Reference: Stardestroyer.net
ST shields would not defend against a turbolaser.
Also SW weapons are way more powerful.
Sorry Trekkies